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		<title>Gaijin Ryu Dojo Article on GM Lee Epperson</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please read this GM Lee&#8217;s a great teacher and Master of Martial Arts and I&#8217;m proud to be one of his students since the early 90s. GM Lee is truely one of the best Martial Artists I even met and trust me he&#8217;s a masters master.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read this GM Lee&#8217;s a great teacher and Master of Martial Arts and I&#8217;m proud to be one of his students since the early 90s. GM Lee is truely one of the best Martial Artists I even met and trust me he&#8217;s a masters master.</p>
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<p>Course taught by Rabbinic Intern Master Stuart Rosenberg. Master Rosenberg  has 30 years experience in Electronics Security &amp; Surveillance, and 30 years in training in Martial Arts and Reality Self-Defense.<strong> </strong>Stuart Rosenberg say&#8217;s<strong><span style="color: #0000ff;"> <span style="color: #ff0000;">&#8220;Learning Self-Defense and Self-Protection is a Religious Requirement&#8221; </span></span></strong></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jewish &#8211; Christian Anti Terrorism Training in Houses of Worship took place with several prominent Rabbi&#8217;s from the New York area and well known Pastor Ken Pangano of the New Beth El Church in Louisville Ky. Recently Pastor Pangano has been all over the national news scene for his open stance on allowing guns in his church for self protection. </p>
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<p>The Tzedek Anti Terror Task Force which was founded  in 1996 by activist Rabbi Gary Moskowitz came together in Havurat Israel the Synagogue of Rabbi David Algazi Queens New York with Pastor Pangano, Rabbinic intern Stuart Rosenberg who&#8217;s a well known martial arts expert and president of Philadelphia Detection Systems Inc. a Philadelphia based security alarm firm and David Goldenberg a former NYPD officer and special weapons and tactics trainer.</p>
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<p>The group met to discuss Homeland Security issues facing religious communities and particularly houses of worship.  The group believes Clergy need take a stance and lead the way toward responsibility to defend their flocks. Rabbi Moskowitz and Tzedek have developed a complete course to train community leaders and clergy on how to organize, defend, and implement a local security team in their community. It&#8217;s a religious edict from the Torah &#8220;Guard your Soul&#8221; states Rabbi Moskowtz. </p>
<p>After the general meeting the group got down to some serious combat shooting training and gun defense skills which requires a minimum of a 50 hour course to learn the basic skills. <strong>Tzedek is a</strong> <strong>lot more than the average Rabbis but almost every person involved is a serious martial arts instructor, former military or police officer or in the field of professional security</strong>. Rabbi David Algazi mentioned in his capacity as a Rabbi &#8221;I&#8217;m not yet comfortable myself with firearms however I know people are out there that want to kill us and I feel that training to use a firearm and establishing a local security team is an act of  preserving life&#8221;.</p>
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<p> Pastor Paganno a former marine, who now serves as a police chaplain, NRA handgun instructor, and full time pastor started an open gun policy in his church as way to protect himself and his flock as well as a way to draw people into his church. In Kentucky hand gun laws are liberal and law abiding citizens have the right to openly carry a firearm. Pastor Paganno said he wants people to feel comfortable with guns and realize good religious people with guns is not a contradiction and people have nothing to fear. <strong>Many people see the religious as sheep who won&#8217;t defend themselves but people should know we are the sheep dogs</strong>. Rabbis and Pastors must work to protect their flocks said Pastor Pagano. We all know police are great but they usually don&#8217;t come until after the fact <strong>&#8220;That&#8217;s why we carry guns because we can&#8217;t carry police officers.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Many people are in the US are unaware about the easy availability of firearms in the State of Israel. Nearly<em><strong> </strong></em>everyone interested in the <strong>preservation of the Second Amendment in America</strong> points to Israel as proof of how<em><strong> ordinary citizens, armed and trained, are a deterrent to crime and terrorism.</strong></em> Tezdek believes proper security, education and training will send a strong message to every criminal and make our clergy and congregants much safer.  </p>
<p>Stuart Rosenberg is the Regional Director for PA, NJ, DE. and can be reached at (856) 380-1999. We are available to all faiths for security consulting, firearms training and self-defense courses for clergy, houses of worship and religious communities.  The National Director Rabbi Gary Moskowitz can be reached at (917) 916-4681.</p>
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Ji, Han Jae was born in 1936 in Andong, Korea. His family moved to Sun Yang, China when he was one year old. He attended school there until 1945 when his family returned to Andong. He began his martial arts training in Yawara a few years later with Choi, Yung Sul at the age of [...]


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<p>Ji, Han Jae was born in 1936 in Andong, Korea. His family moved to Sun Yang, China when he was one year old. He attended school there until 1945 when his family returned to Andong. He began his martial arts training in Yawara a few years later with Choi, Yung Sul at the age of 13. The techniques he learned at this time were primarily joint locks, throws, low kicks, and sword techniques. For part of this time he was living in a house he had built himself and was working for 10 months as an architect for City Hall. He trained full time with Choi until 1956 when he moved back to his home city of Andong from Seoul.<img src="http://www.washingtonhapkido.com/graphics/Misc/GMJi-danbong.jpg" alt="danbong" width="245" height="389" align="left" /></p>
<p>When Ji was eighteen, he began to train with a man he used to refer to as Taoist Lee. Lee was Ji’s Samrangdo instructor and he used the term “Taoist” when he first arrived in the US because it was the closest word he could find to describe Lee. Lee trained Ji, Han Jae primarily in mediation, the use of the Jang-Bong (6&#8242; staff), the Dan-Bong (short stick), and in Korean Taek-Kyun or Tek Gi yun, kicking. Many of the drills that Ji was doing at this time are similar to plyometrics used in sports today. With many kicking techniques and high jumping techniques, Ji had a perfect complement to the grounded techniques of Yawara taught by Grandmaster Choi.</p>
<p>In addition to the martial aspects of training, Lee also began Ji on his mental and spiritual training. He trained him in numerous meditation and breathing exercises. He trained with Lee for almost five years after which he continued his training with Lee’s instructor, “Grandma.” Ji would spend hours with Grandma at a temple that was a healing complex for terminally ill individuals. He spent about 3 years with her and considers Grandma to be his spiritual teacher. He continued training with her until he left Korea.</p>
<p>In Andong, Ji, Han Jae, then a 3rd dan, opened his first dojang at the age of 23, which he called a Moo Kwan and taught Yu Kwan Sool. After approximately nine months in Andong, Ji decided to relocate to Seoul in September of 1957. He stayed in a boarding house in Wang Shim Ri. The son of the owner of the boarding house, Hwang, Duk Kyu, was his first student at this dojang, called Sung Moo Kwan where he taught Dae Han Hapki Yu Kwon Sool.</p>
<p>In 1958, Ji moved his school to Joong Boo Shi Jang where he continued teaching until April of 1960. It was during this period that Ji began to piece together the Yoo Sool (Yoo kwan Sool) teachings of Grandmaster Choi, with the methods of meditation, the Taek -Kyun kicking techniques, and the weapons techniques learned from Lee, along with the spiritual training he received from Grandma. The product was “Hapkido.” He had originally though of calling it &#8220;Hapki-Yoo -Kwan-Sool,&#8221; but decided against that, feeling it was to long. He used the model of other martial arts he had heard of, such as Tae Kwon Do, Soo Bak Do, in which the word &#8216;do&#8217; means a path to follow, or a way of life. He liked this rather than simply &#8216;techniques&#8217; as &#8217;sool&#8217; implies because it gives a better idea of the variety of techniques in Hapkido. It is interesting too that at this time much of the emphasis of Hapkido was on kicking. This can still be seen today in Korea where the Hapkido schools emphasize kicking whereas in the United States it has simply become the self-defense techniques used to supplement arts that lack joint locking, throws, and applicable self-defense.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.washingtonhapkido.com/graphics/LogosBackgrounds/hapkido.gif" alt="logo" width="178" height="70" align="left" />Hapkido can be translated as “The way of the mind and body together.” When &#8220;hap&#8221; means to together, &#8220;ki&#8221; means mental and physical energy, and &#8220;do&#8221; means a way of life, or the &#8216;path&#8217; or &#8216;way&#8217; of coordinating your mental and physical energy into one entity. In this way, Ji was able to combine what he had learned from Grandmaster Choi, Lee, and Grandma into a cohesive martial art that has spread throughout the world.</p>
<p>In 1967, Ji traveled to Vietnam with some of his students to teach Hapkido to the soldiers fighting there. They conducted training and demonstrations from 1967 to 1969.</p>
<p>In 1969, Ji first came to the United States as part of an exchange with President Richard Nixon’s security forces. He taught Hapkido to the US Secret Service, Special Forces, OSI, FBI, and CIA. While he was visiting and staying at Andrews Air<img src="http://www.washingtonhapkido.com/graphics/Misc/GMJi-vietnamdemo.jpg" alt="DJN-vietnamdemo" width="278" height="189" align="right" /> Force Base, his good friend, Taekwondo Grandmaster Jhoon Rhee, introduced Ji to Bruce Lee. Lee was impressed with Ji’s techniques and asked him to teach him.</p>
<p>Ji taught Lee and also traveled to Hong Kong over the next few years to help choreograph martial arts movies and also star in a few of them. At this time, Ji taught movie stars such as Jin Pal Kim, Angela Mao, Samo Hong among many others. He appeared in three movies, Hapkido (Lady Kung Fu), Fist of the Unicorn Palm, and Bruce Lee’s Game of Death. Extra footage of Game of Death was recently released as a movie called A Warrior’s Journey, which features 18 minutes of fight scenes featuring Ji.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.washingtonhapkido.com/graphics/Misc/LadyKungFu1.jpg" alt="LadyKungFu1" width="172" height="267" /> <img src="http://www.washingtonhapkido.com/graphics/Misc/GMJi-GD2.jpg" alt="DJN-GD2" width="195" height="186" /><img src="http://www.washingtonhapkido.com/graphics/Misc/GMJi-GD3.jpg" alt="DJN-GD3" width="224" height="186" /><img src="http://www.washingtonhapkido.com/graphics/Misc/GMJi-GD4.JPG" alt="DJN-GD4" width="195" height="178" /></p>
<p>In 1979, President Park, Chung Hee was assassinated. Ji resigned his position and became a member of the Min Jung Dang Party. Ji, and the leader of the party, Kwon, Jung dal, were from the same home town and decided that it would be a good idea if Ji organized the civilian security guards to be personal escorts of the president during travel. Before this training was made public, the head of the rival political party, Huh, Sam soo, found out about the idea and saw it as an opportunity to eliminate his rival. He informed the president that they were training these security forces in order to overthrow him. Many of the individuals involved were arrested and some were executed. Ji was sentenced to a one-year prison term. He spent one year in prison because of his political affiliation.</p>
<p>He spent 2 years in Korea after his release and then traveled to Germany to teach for three months. In 1984, Master Merrill Jung brought him to the United States.</p>
<p>It was at this time that Grandmaster Ji, Han Jae began teaching Sin Moo Hapkido (pronounced “shin moo”) and formed the Korea Sin Moo Hapkido Association. “Sin” means higher mind (the old character could be translated to mean “godlike,” but the meaning Ji refers to is simply “higher mind” or “mental.”) “Moo” means martial art. Simply put, Sin Moo means, “Higher mind martial art.”</p>
<p>Much of the techniques are the same as what he taught while in Korea, but the emphasis has changed. The Sin Moo focuses more on the mental and spiritual aspects of Hapkido as well as controlling Ki or Qi and being able to use it effectively. He has also expanded the weapon repertoire (some he added while in Korea) to include the cane, handkerchief or rope, throwing techniques, and recently, the long scarf.</p>
<p>When Grandmaster Ji first arrived, he taught some classes out of Master Jung’s school, and then opened a school in Daly City. He has also had schools in San Bruno, CA and Willow Groove, PA. In addition to Korea Sin Moo Hapkido, he also created the World Sin Moo Hapkido Association and the World Sin Moo Hapkido Federation. He currently lives in Trenton, NJ and travels throughout the world teaching classes and seminars.</p>
<p>His students and those who know him now call Grandmaster Ji, Han Jae, “Dojunim”. It means, “honorable founder of the way.”</p>
<p>This is only a partial history of the information discussed. </p>
<p>References:</p>
<p>Ji, Han Jae. Personal interview by Sean Bradley in Cherry Hill, NJ on 01 July 2006.</p>
<p>Ji, Han Jae. Personal interview by Sean Bradley, Yi-Pei Lin, and Frank Croaro in Seattle, WA on 17 May 2006.</p></div>
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<p>You may not think that God and guns go together, but a pastor in Kentucky certainly does. He’s encouraging his congregation to embrace their Second Amendment rights by coming to church armed.</p>
<p>On Saturday, Pastor Kenneth Pagano sponsored an “open carry celebration” at his church. He spoke to John Roberts on CNN’s “American Morning” Tuesday.</p>
<p><strong>John Roberts:</strong> A question a lot of people might have is – what do God and guns have in common?</p>
<p><strong>Kenneth Pagano:</strong> Well, the idea that a deep-seated belief in God and an appreciation for firearms, which was the basis for the founding of this country, which was also settled by very religious people evidently has not — has historical precedence for not being incongruous, and we also agree with the same.</p>
<p><strong>Roberts:</strong> But the question is do guns belong in church? Even in the frontier days there were many churches that said to people, “Leave your weapons outside. No firearms inside the church.”</p>
<p><strong>Pagano</strong>: There were also many churches that said you can have them. There are still congregational buildings in New England that go back to the colonial eras where there are actually gun racks that are there. It was also mandated that you had to bring your firearm with you with ammunition when you went to church, if not, you would have been fined. So this is not something new. It’s new in our generation, but it’s not a new concept at all. We’re trying to promote responsible gun ownership, that there are community-minded, legal law-abiding citizens such as myself and others who appreciate firearms as a sports tool, but also believe in the right for self-defense and self-protection. Church is not a building. A church is a gathering of people. People have the right to defend themselves wherever they are.</p>
<p><strong>Roberts:</strong> Pastor, I was doing a lot of looking around this morning at the reaction to the event you had on Saturday night and some of the critics were asking things like “Would Jesus carry a weapon?” And “What would Jesus think of a pastor who beat plow shares into swords?”</p>
<p><strong>Pagano:</strong> Well, here’s the thing. Because of my theological perception, I believe one day Christ will return to establish his government here on his earth and at that time we will beat our swords into plow shares. But until then, those who only have plow shares will always be subjected to those who have the swords. What would Jesus carry? You know that’s kind of a tongue and cheek thing. We do know this. We do know that his disciples who were his close entourage, we do know that there were at least two in the bunch that were carrying swords. He wasn’t opposed to them carrying swords. Matter of fact, there was a time he told them to sell a cloak and buy a sword. What he was opposed to was the inappropriate use of the sword, which was to keep him from going to the cross to die for the sins of the world.</p>
<p><strong>Roberts:</strong> You’re kind of getting it from all sides. You have the critics, again, who say “Would Jesus have carried a weapon,” but you’ve got critics among gun advocates who say the fact that you stipulated that people had to bring their weapons into church unloaded and the only loaded weapon belonged to a police officer kind of rankles them. David Codrea, who is a gun rights advocate, wrote in Examiner.com “The idea that police are the only ones who can be entrusted with loaded firearms should be offensive to everyone who believes in the right of the people to keep and bear arms.” Everybody’s kind of ganging up on you from the right and left.</p>
<p><strong>Pagano:</strong> Here’s the thing, the truth shall set you free. And if people knew the truth of what was going on, the open carry celebration, the reason for open carry was mainly insurance reasons. I’m a firearms instructor, I work with the police, I’m a competitive sports shooter. Not everyone who owns a firearm is necessarily always responsible or safe with them. I didn’t know everybody who came to the celebration. There were people who were carrying loaded firearms who were not law enforcement. There were people who were legally carrying concealed weapons that were hot and ready to go. We don’t have a problem with that. Just because a person owns a firearm, doesn’t means they’re safe and responsible anymore than a person who owns a vehicle means they’re a safe and responsible driver.</p>
<p><strong>Roberts:</strong> There’s also the bigger issue too of guns in church, just generally. There have been several high-profile shootings in churches recently. One of the attendees to your open carry celebration on Saturday, Tommy Hillerich, told the New York Times “If the pastor is in there and he’s got a concealed weapon and somebody comes in and starts shooting people, he can take him out. That’s his right.” Do you think it would be a good idea for pastors to carry weapons?</p>
<p><strong>Pagano:</strong> Absolutely. They’re shepherds. When a person comes into my congregation, they are my responsibility, not only spiritually but physically. Jesus called himself the great shepherd and according to the 23rd Psalm the shepherd has a staff for direction and a rod for protection.</p>
<p><strong>Roberts:</strong> So Pastor, do you carry a concealed weapon on Sundays?</p>
<p><strong>Pagano:</strong> I couldn’t tell you that because that would totally negate the idea of carrying a concealed. You’d leave me at a tactical disadvantage. <strong>Contact a Gary Moskowitz there in New York City who is a rabbi who is promoting a national security council of religious leaders wanting to see this very type of legislation.</strong> Listen, I’ve gotten phone calls from people from Israel and other parts of the world and they’re saying, “You know what? We’ve been trying to say this all along.” Our military personnel have to attend chapel services with their firearms. While we are in a civilized world, we have a lot of uncivilized people and America’s no different.</div>
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